The new drama Lanterns, starring Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre, sees a more human approach to the intergalactic space cops, with Pierre's John Stewart being trained by Chandler's Hal Jordan as a possible successor to the Green Ring.
At a press conference in Beverly Hills, just prior to the show's launch, the cast and creative crew of the series sat down to discuss the show's inspiration, its future and why older superheroes need their time in the sun.
Kyle and Aaron, I want to start with you. The dynamic between Hal
and John really roots the premiere and roots the story, and immediately we can
really delight in the humour and the charm between them, but we also feel this
tension and conflict. For each of you, what was most important
to establish right away, from the word go in the first hour of the series,
about how your character sees himself, but also how he sees the other person?
Kyle Chandler: To break it down, at the very beginning, I don’t remember exactly
what thoughts I had on how to do everything that you just asked me to do. But the first thing that we did was to get to know each other on the
set and to get to know all the other people on the set.
And because it all
takes a certain tone eventually that really- there’s certain things outside of
what the actor wants to do that guide performance and everything. But, I mean,
obviously, you know, once Aaron and I got to work together, it was very quick. And along with James Hawes and Chris Mundy behind the monitor and working
the cameras and sharing with us what they wanted, not what they were thinking,
it became obvious really quickly that there was going to be a very cool
collaborative process which freed us up.
They were more than willing, I
think, to let us make mistakes and to find our way so everyone could find
something. Because of that, it didn’t take long for Aaron and I to find a spot where, oh, okay, that’s you, that’s me,
that’s my character, that’s your character. And then we started playing back
and forth.
All the rest of it fell into place, it’s all in the writing. I
mean, it’s not too hard to figure out that Hal has a competitor here and he
doesn’t want to admit it, but, you know, he’s getting a little older and things
are happening, all those things that go on. You start
thinking about deeper into the character and, you know, like, he’s pretty dark
pathology, this dude. You know, this guy’s got kind of can speak for himself,
but kind of a weird childhood. All those things start falling in place, but
they fell in place because of a lot of the help and a lot of the work we all
did together and that freedom of just doing what we’re doing and enjoying what
we’re doing.
Aaron Pierre: I would say that the first thing that we wanted to establish was, as
Kyle articulated beautifully, safety. We wanted to establish a safety within
our partnership and dynamic and that extended way beyond us as well. We wanted
to establish that with the entire team, the entire family who were pouring
themselves into this to make it the best version of itself.
I
think that is so important and it is so critical, because once safety is
established, then you feel an ease, and you feel at liberty to explore, try
things, and eventually you’re going to get to the greatest place it can be
because you feel free enough to get it wrong and fall forward. Kyle and I did a
lot of falling forwards.
Chris hates compliments, but I’m going to give
him one. To have Chris, you know, there every day and just allow us to, as Kyle
says, the magic was already on the page. It was already there, but they knew we
were always going to get from point A to point B, but how we got there, nobody
knew. Nobody knew. Even when we’re five months into a six-month
shoot, it’s just the nature of Kyle and me. We like to improvise. We like to
try things. We like to never derail the story, but we like to surprise each
other. And they permitted us freedom and liberty to do that. And that’s where
some of the most beautiful moments are derived from that feeling of safety and
freedom.
One of the things I love
about what you’re both describing is that it sounds like it was okay if you
felt afraid, but maybe you didn’t have to feel afraid. And that gets us to Damon Something I wanted to ask you, because I think your work, your shows over the
years have been so indelible to so many people because of the way that
you use the genre lens to parse and examine aspects of humanity. And
this show, these characters, this dynamic, it’s very rooted in several
different aspects of that, but including, obviously, that question of, are you
afraid? And, this question of which path to the ring is more noble, more
worthy, more valid, right? Being chosen or having to earn it, having to work
for it. There’s a little man of science/man of faith there, I think. I’m
curious about which aspect of how we function, not just as heroes, but as
people, as human beings, drew you to wanting to explore these characters and to
this adaptation.
Damon Lindelof: Thanks for asking that.
I mean, I think that anytime you’re working on, on something that isn’t
original, something that you’re inheriting, you either lean in or you or you
lean out. And for me, I had heard that Tom King had ideated this Green Lanterns
idea that was being called Lanterns that was being described as a true
detective, a story set on Earth, which immediately I was sort of like, oh,
they’re space cops, so that sounds cool.
But more importantly, it’s going
to be about the two of them. And then my brain, you know, my middle-aged brain
is sort of going like, I’m now at a point in my career where I’m in my 50s and
I’m still showrunning but starting to feel like it’s time for me to give up the
ring, but I don’t want to let it go.
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That idea really captivated me.
But the answer to your question is always like some sort of fundamental
question of why do we keep telling stories about superheroes? Why
should I care about space cops? And the answer is kind of embedded in what Kyle
and Aaron were just talking about, which is this kind of idea of like, well,
they’re human beings first before they even put on the rings. And so that kind
of idea of how do you use this as a vessel of relatability, because we’re going
to be inviting these characters into our homes on a Sunday night, and although
we’re experiencing through this screen, why are we supposed to care about them?
And then when I heard that Chris was going to be running the show, I was just a
huge fan of Ozark. And I had heard that he had just done True
Detective: Night Country, which I hadn’t seen yet. And then we went out for
breakfast, and he was just approaching it from sort of a point of view of like,
yeah, I’m interested in Green Lanterns, I don’t know much about that, I’m not
really a sci-fi guy. So, I was like, why is this guy, you know, interested? I
want to get on that train.
But I feel like it was just such a relief to not have to
be running the show, to be in service of this larger thing that at first was
Green Lanterns and then was secondarily Chris’s vision and then getting to work
with Tom and this amazing group of writers. And then I sort of
segued off onto another project right around the time that they were going into
production, so I have huge FOMO about not getting to have been on the set and
all that, but now here it is and we’re launching it, and so I am just immensely
proud of the result.
The idea of
Rushville and Nebraska emerged very quickly as locations which when well-rendered
can be a character in its own right. And the fact that Lanterns
is very grounded, very rooted in, not just a sense of place, but a very
earthbound place. You know, you can feel the dust in your lungs when you’re
watching the premiere. But Lanterns is inherently cosmic and vast and
sweeping. So, Tom and Chris, like, in terms of the collaborative process, but
also just in terms of figuring out how to achieve the right calibration and
alchemy and balance in the show, how did you think about those elements in
conversation with each other and ultimately ones that could enhance each other
and what Lanterns can do at its best?
Chris Mundy: I mean, I’ll start and Tom
can jump. But I mean, I think with anything, you introduce something, you get
people to understand it, and then you add, you know what I mean? And for us, it
was grounding emotionally in John and then immediately in Hal and John’s
relationship, and then in that sense of place. And even the way we used, like,
the constructs, the first time there’s a construct used, it’s Hal doing a
20-dollar bill to play a song over and over again, you know? And
then, John is lighting a cigarette with it, and then it’s a bottle opener, cause
we’re just like, oh, this is part of our world. But we’re also in this small
town where hopefully, I’m so glad it’s like, yeah, it feels dusty and real. So
then by the end of the episode, there’s a bigger construct. And then by the
next episode, there’s more. It’s just like, are you accepting this reality? Are
you accepting these people as real people with this weird job of being a space
cop, but they also still have to wake up as themselves? (00:29:08) And then you
layer. You know, that’s the way I thought it and we’ve all sort of thought
about it together. But the good thing about, you know, me and Damon and Tom
from the beginning, we all come from this from a slightly different angle. And
so hopefully that where we hit in the middle, it touches a lot of different
ideas.
Tom King: I’ll talk about the dust
first, then go to Rushville. I think with superheroes, having sort of lived in
the superhero moment for almost 25 years now of them being a pop culture, that
the powers and the incredible and the amazing of it all can just be noise on
top of noise where you don’t even hear it anymore. For the simple fact that
there’s no scale, you’re looking at a picture without something to compare it
to. And, you know, it’s like looking at Lawrence of Arabia.
If you just look at the desert, it’s nothing, but if you look at Omar Sharif on
that one camel coming across it, suddenly it becomes vast and big and amazing.
And so, to make a show where we can show why the powers are important because
we build the scale of the real and so they explode like the dragons do in Game
of Thrones instead of just being lost among the chaos of it, was the idea
of putting it in Nebraska, a place where they would really stand out. And just
the location of Rushville. I’m a city kid.
I grew up in Los Angeles
here, and live now in Washington, DC. But as a little kid, my grandmother was
from a small town, Rushville, Nebraska, in the panhandle of Nebraska, closer to
South Dakota than it is to the rest of the world. And literally, you know, I’m
raised by a single mother and like a lot of people, you’re half-raised by your
grandmother. And she would just tell me stories of this little town. And I’m
from Los Angeles, it is just endless. And here was a town that, like
she rode a horse to school and there were three people in the schoolhouse and
they all knew each other. And to me, that was an alien planet, thinking of it
that way. And so, when we first started thinking about this show and people
going to an alien planet that, I don’t know, it appealed to me on that level.
And just to put a little bit,my grandmother was just a wonderful person, just
to put a little bit of her magic in the show is where Rushville came from.
We kind of have a preconceived notion about superheroes, that
they’re youthful, you know, that they’re teenagers or 20s or 30s, and all of a
sudden now, and especially with Spider Man, the Spider Noir
thing, that we’re starting to see them age up a little bit. So
I’m wondering maybe Kyle and the creators could talk about that, that
presenting somebody in their 50s who’s a superhero and what that represents and
how that kind of changes the dynamic.
Kyle Chandler: First of all, I take
umbrage to your question! (laughs) It’s a great opportunity.
I mean, as far as I’m concerned, when got this, I was like, "Oh wow, really? I’m
going to be a superhero? Me?" But it was a great advantage, because there
are things with your older years that come to you that you get to, in a project
like this, you get to use them. You know, it’s like being married for 20 years
and you’re playing a husband who’s got two kids and it’s 20 years and there’s
things you know that no one else is going to know. And so that’s a lot of fun
and, there’s a lot of humor in getting older and there’s a lot of humor in this
show. It’s just, you get to play out so many things. It’s important,
I guess in a way too, it’s really important to show older people’s lives and
this young culture that we’ve got going on. I mean, there’s a little bit of
goodness and some wisdom and some of that.
Kelly, I want
to ask you about Sheriff Kerry. We see in the premiere how many people are just
in thrall to Hal’s charm, right? And who can blame them? But Sheriff Kerry is
not one of them. She just thinks that the only thing that he is more full of
than himself is shit. And it’s very amusing, but I think it also, like, points
toward a deeper reserve, about not just Hal, but the world, that there is
something very watchful in her shrewdness when she says something like, he’s
not afraid, he’s lonely.So what can you tell us about Sheriff
Kerry’s skeptical eye and skeptical mind and what is informing that?
Kelly MacDonald: As far as her view of
Hal Jordan, I think she can see through him right away. And in a way, I think
he does her as well. So, there’s this sort of magic from the get-go almost,
even if they’re not- like he’s looking at her entirely and she’s sort of
looking at the football field and not, before you even see her, you hear her on
the walkie-talkie.
And she’s aware of their presence, I don’t know,
I just kind loved that about her when I was sent the script that she’s very
bolshie and no-nonsense and swears a bit, I think, from what I remember. And,
yeah, it’s all fun. That’s really fun stuff. Plus, I also want to say, I’ve got
this real thing for Americana and anything vaguely cowboy.
I’ve
got far too many pairs of cowboy boots in my wardrobe in Glasgow. It makes no
sense. And so playing her was, like, completely thrilling. I’m so okay about
not being a superhero myself cause I was the one that had the costume. I had a
badge. I had a massive hat, Yosemite Sam style, and bespoke cowboy boots. I
mean, it couldn’t have been better for me, so thank you.
Aaron, Science fiction has always helped us imagine a better future. And for many
Black fans, John Stewart has been part of that future for decades. What do you
hope his story says to longtime fans, but also to those meeting him for the
first time?
Aaron Pierre: That’s a beautiful
question. Thank you very much for submitting that. I don’t think we have enough
time for me to get into that answer to the depth that I would ideally like to.
But I think, just to sort of, you know, try and consolidate it as it
were, I think that one of my favorite things about John Stewart and how he’s
detailed and how he is written and shared with audiences is the truth and the
honesty, that is present within him and how he is just so immensely complex.
But just like we all are, I think John has just an abundant number of access points
to audience members. (00:37:40) I think he is somebody who is somebody who
allows us to feel seen. He is somebody who allows us to feel heard, understood,
comprehended, respected, and it’s an immense privilege and joy to have been given
the opportunity to portray him in the first live-action version. The enormity
of that gift is not lost on me. It’s not missed on me. I’m filled with
gratitude.
And from the very moment that I knew I had the
opportunity, I poured myself into it and continued to through pre-production,
production itself, and even post-production beyond the point of filming it. I’m
still, you know, ruminating on should we be gifted the opportunity to continue
this journey, how I can excavate further, how I can go even deeper.
I did an immense amount of personal research, before portraying John Stewart,
but there is a point with every character that you portray, as is the case with
every character I have portrayed, that you have to then bring a level of yourself
and your truth to the portrayal, because otherwise it’s not authentic, and
otherwise there is no opportunity for audiences to resonate with you because
you are simply copying and pasting.
So it was a joy to also allow
myself to be vulnerable enough with the support of everybody here to bring my
heart and my soul and my experiences to this. I feel very seen when I read
John. John to me is somebody who is a raging sea internally.
You know, externally
he’s a gentleman, he’s precise, he’s accurate, he’s intentional, he’s clean. But internally, he’s a raging sea, he’s a tornado, he’s a volcano,
and I give the analogy of, you know, going to someone’s house and it’s
spotless, but you find that one room that they shoved everything in and it’s
hell in there. I’ve had, you know, you know, this is not therapy, so I won’t
get into myself, but I’ve had my fair share of learning to master my sober mind
and learning to navigate my experiences as somebody who does feel things very
heavily and deeply. So I feel very seen by John and I’m ready to do
this till the wheels fall off, to be honest with you.

Poorna and Garret. I have a question for you
both. It is quite a premiere for your characters and one of the things that I
love is that right away it’s established that they both go for what they want. Sex in a truck with John or, blackmailing via bail money, the
Lanterns to come over for a barbecue—you know, to each their own. But also,
they’re shrouded in mystery, so there’s this interesting dichotomy, this
dissonance of what is stated very clearly—the boldness, the frankness, and then
what is not available for us yet to understand and see. You know, there’s a
literal NDA that is invoked in the plot of the premiere. There are questions
right away from Hal and from John about what’s going on in this marriage. So how did you - what felt key in terms of when you’re deciding what
to hold close to the vest and what you are allowing your character to show as a
real declaration of intent, both individually for Zoe and for Macon but also
inside of this family unit? Poorna, you want to start?
Poorna Jagannathan: Yeah, it’s a great
question. I think that, you know, this is—correct me if I’m wrong—but it’s a- it’s a
whodunit, right? It’s a bit of a- a murder mystery, but actually it’s a very
profound dissertation on power. And that is also the case with Zoe
and William Macon. It ibecomes very clear pretty early on that both of us with
Sheriff Kane and we want to maintain the town’s power and we become a foil for
the Green Lanterns in a certain way, you know? So, the exploration of this
character is, first of all, she sees John and there’s an instant affinity. We’re probably the two people of colour in a very, very white town,
right? So, there’s an instant connection, instant curiosity that- that happens.
But, you know, as it unfolds, it’s really exploring different power dynamics of
different people and it’s very mysterious indeed. Garret?
Garret Dillahunt: I don’t know what to
add to that. That was beautiful, Poorna. I think that’s a good point. You know,
there’s nothing better than great writing. You know, it just does so much of
our work for us, and baked into it, like Poorna said, is this weird power
dynamic even between us. I think
there’s a lot of stereotypes that could have been applied, certainly to my
character, and he seems open to all kinds of things that you wouldn’t suspect
he would be, a guy who lives in this area and does what he does and seems to be
pretty, you know, powerful in this small pond. And I love that their
relationship, that it seems kind of free and easy. I guess I can’t talk about
much past one, but it is a pleasure to play and I’m sure grateful to be here.
I just want to take this opportunity to say, , walking onto this set, that
you all put together, the script was something. But, you know, I’d never met
Kyle before. I feel like I’ve known him for about 30 years now, we just got
along great.
And this young man here, Aaron, I don’t know, I hope
you’ve seen some of his other work, but I know we’re just scratching the
surface. You should know I was on with Alexa Fogel the other day, who put this
thing together, and she also went and saw Aaron on stage in London playing in Cuckoo’s
Nest, and she was so floored. She was like, I’ve never seen him like that,
I’ve never, I didn’t know he could do that, he was completely different than
what you see here. And I think you’re going to see this face for
John Stewart for years to come. It’s just I think they were waiting, I think
Green Lantern was waiting for him. But it’s just a great group and I’m so thankful
to you all for welcoming us so completely and giving us these great characters
to play.
Lanterns has been described as a
grounded mystery as much as a superhero series. Was there a particular film, TV
show, or genre that influenced the tone you were aiming for? (00:49:01) And
that question was addressed specifically to Chris, Tom, and Damon, so we can
start with you all from a creative perspective. Was there something—you know, True
Detective was obviously already invoked—that you all were seeking to
channel, or just reference most directly? Was there someone or
something from a film or show or story that you particularly love or felt was
resonant here that you tried to bring into your performance?
Chris Mundy: Yeah, we talked about a lot
of different things, you know, over the course of it. We talked
about No Country for Old Men quite a bit just cause of the backdrop.
Kelly’s like in…
Kelly MacDonald: Oh, really? Good.
Chris Mundy: Yeah, Kelly and Garrett are
actually both in it, which is weird ’cause we were talking about before we were
lucky enough to get them. But just in terms of geography and sense of just
pressure, it just keeps going and going
and going. But then we also talked about things as not obscure exactly, but,
like, things like Midnight Run, which is like there’s a relationship
with Robert De Niro and Charles Grodin in that where they’re kind of on the
same path together even though one’s being escorted as a prisoner.
It’s
the banter is always funny and yet the stakes are always real, you know. And we
were always trying to figure out what line we could get up to in terms of the
funny thing where it just didn’t become, like, empty calories. So, it was like
those two - there were a bunch. I mean, we talked about Ghost in the
room, so I mean, there’s times, like we went far afield. We talked about
rom-coms, ’cause in a way it’s a strangely, like, Hal and John kind of start
apart, fall in love, fall apart again, you know what I mean?
It’s
like, we had a lot of free time in the room when we were starting, so we went
very far afield. But those other ones were really the touchstones at the
beginning.
Tom King: I’m going to go with nerdy
references ’cause I’m the nerd, So, just to go back to the
comics, the comics of it all, andthe sort of the original creation of John
Stewart by two guys named Neal Adams and Denny O’Neil who are unfortunately my
friends back in the day. And especially Neal Adams, who’s sort of
the core creator, and for people who don’t know Neal, he’s one of the GOAT
artists in comics, but besides that, he was a true rebel, like the guy who’s
like, we need healthcare, we need to get paid. He turned the turned the tables
over and said, we’re looking at this industry all wrong, let’s do it different.
And that’s the spirit he brought when he created John Stewart, and from that
first issue when he goes in there and Hal’s like, you got to wear a mask, you
know, you’re just my replacement, you’re nothing, that’s all in that first
issue. And John just won’t take the world the way it’s given to him
the same way Neal wouldn’t take the world the way it’s given to him and he’s
throwing over tables saying, I’m not wearing a mask, I know who I am—I’m
something different than you and I might be something better than you. And so
that all sort of went back to the comics and to those original creators who so
inspired me.
Damon Lindelof: Yeah, I echo everything
that Chris and Tom just said and I think that also the show at times felt like Western. More like a classic sort of 1950s or 1940s. There are these
archetypal kind of, like, John Wayne-like ideas that are built into it and
constructs around manhood that I think that both Hal and John inherited from
their dads or the culture in which they were raised.
I think that obviously
we process these sort of mythic stories, like, through fathers and sons and I
think that a lot of the time superheroes, you know, Superman’s parents, you
know, died on Krypton or Batman’s parents were murdered when he was a little
boy. But the idea that, whether it’s that trauma, what were you
taught, what are you trying to figure out on your own, we did talk a lot about,
like, father and son stories because John and Hal are not quite father and son.
They’re more akin to brothers, at least that’s the way that it reads sometimes.
But they’re both processing this very complicated relationship with their own
dads in partnership with one another, and so I think there was a wide range in
terms of all those conversations, there’s no rings, there’s no aliens, there’s
no space, there’s no there’s no Guardians. Then you layer all that
stuff in and you make that the science- the genre stuff support those ideas.
Poorna Jagannathan: And on to Damon’s
point, I’m not a comic book you know, I don’t engage in the genre and haven’t
for many years. And so, this show is so faithful and so delightful for people
who are, but it’s such an invitation for people like me who are not exposed to
this. An invitation to step into the genre because it is so
intensely relatable and so human.
Anyone else want
to share any influences that you or references that you brought in? Is it time
to talk about Coach Taylor, you know Kyle? A lot of football. A lot of football here.
Kyle Chandler: I was daydreaming, I’m
sorry. (Laughs) I was just going to say,
it’s all kind of boils down in my mind, it’s really good storytelling.It just really is and
that’s why it’s, among other things that we’ve talked about, that’s the main
reason it’s going to be, you know. It’s good storytelling. Good people in the
writers’ room and all that. They mixed up a good group.
Many of you have done long TV shows for multiple seasons. Watching Lanterns, each of them feels a small movie, which is great. Do you have that in
mind as well that you want to make sure, even if you all love the work, that’s
not going to go on for 10 years, but do you know exactly where you want to land
without stretching the stories?
Damon Lindelof: Yeah, I can speak from
personal experience, in terms of what it was like on something like Lost
where we didn’t, you know, we had to aggressively fight for an end date as
early as when the show premiered. For a show that had a mystery engine, the
audience was saying when are you going to tell us what the fuck is going on
here?
And we’re like, we really want to, but once we start answering mysteries,
the show was coming down the hill, it’s closer to the end. So I
think that then ultimately migrating towards something like Watchmen,
which was a limited series and we knew it was just going to be those nine
episodes, and although you’re inside of a legacy story that goes all the way
back to the 1980s and you’re trying to continue it, you want a message to the
audience that this is complete.
I think that Chris’s vision for Lanterns
was the perfect hybrid of both those things where essentially, he said, I want
to tell a complete story.
We’re going to a mystery, and then, more
importantly, we’re going to have a relationship story between these two guys
that feels resolved at the end of the story that we’re telling, but we want the
audience to be really hungry for more when it ends. And that felt like such a
cool way to sort of thread the needle, and I think to Chris, to Chris’s credit
and the credit of everyone here and the incredible crew around the show, we’ve
accomplished that. I think that it feels like it was a really good meal but a
couple of hours after you’ve consumed it, you’re going to say, I think I want
to spend some more time in that world.
New episodes of Lanterns premiere Mondays on HBO Max.