Lanterns: Talking inspiration and the long-term Green Lantern plan
Aaron Pierre: I would say that the first thing that we wanted to establish was, as Kyle articulated beautifully, safety. We wanted to establish a safety within our partnership and dynamic and that extended way beyond us as well. We wanted to establish that with the entire team, the entire family who were pouring themselves into this to make it the best version of itself.
I think that is so important and it is so critical, because once safety is established, then you feel an ease, and you feel at liberty to explore, try things, and eventually you’re going to get to the greatest place it can be because you feel free enough to get it wrong and fall forward. Kyle and I did a lot of falling forwards.
Chris hates compliments, but I’m going to give him one. To have Chris, you know, there every day and just allow us to, as Kyle says, the magic was already on the page. It was already there, but they knew we were always going to get from point A to point B, but how we got there, nobody knew. Nobody knew. Even when we’re five months into a six-month shoot, it’s just the nature of Kyle and me. We like to improvise. We like to try things. We like to never derail the story, but we like to surprise each other. And they permitted us freedom and liberty to do that. And that’s where some of the most beautiful moments are derived from that feeling of safety and freedom.
One of the things I love about what you’re both describing is that it sounds like it was okay if you felt afraid, but maybe you didn’t have to feel afraid. And that gets us to Damon Something I wanted to ask you, because I think your work, your shows over the years have been so indelible to so many people because of the way that you use the genre lens to parse and examine aspects of humanity. And this show, these characters, this dynamic, it’s very rooted in several different aspects of that, but including, obviously, that question of, are you afraid? And, this question of which path to the ring is more noble, more worthy, more valid, right? Being chosen or having to earn it, having to work for it. There’s a little man of science/man of faith there, I think. I’m curious about which aspect of how we function, not just as heroes, but as people, as human beings, drew you to wanting to explore these characters and to this adaptation.
Damon Lindelof: Thanks for asking that. I mean, I think that anytime you’re working on, on something that isn’t original, something that you’re inheriting, you either lean in or you or you lean out. And for me, I had heard that Tom King had ideated this Green Lanterns idea that was being called Lanterns that was being described as a true detective, a story set on Earth, which immediately I was sort of like, oh, they’re space cops, so that sounds cool.
But more importantly, it’s going to be about the two of them. And then my brain, you know, my middle-aged brain is sort of going like, I’m now at a point in my career where I’m in my 50s and I’m still showrunning but starting to feel like it’s time for me to give up the ring, but I don’t want to let it go.
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That idea really captivated me. But the answer to your question is always like some sort of fundamental question of why do we keep telling stories about superheroes? Why should I care about space cops? And the answer is kind of embedded in what Kyle and Aaron were just talking about, which is this kind of idea of like, well, they’re human beings first before they even put on the rings. And so that kind of idea of how do you use this as a vessel of relatability, because we’re going to be inviting these characters into our homes on a Sunday night, and although we’re experiencing through this screen, why are we supposed to care about them? And then when I heard that Chris was going to be running the show, I was just a huge fan of Ozark. And I had heard that he had just done True Detective: Night Country, which I hadn’t seen yet. And then we went out for breakfast, and he was just approaching it from sort of a point of view of like, yeah, I’m interested in Green Lanterns, I don’t know much about that, I’m not really a sci-fi guy. So, I was like, why is this guy, you know, interested? I want to get on that train.
But I feel like it was just such a relief to not have to be running the show, to be in service of this larger thing that at first was Green Lanterns and then was secondarily Chris’s vision and then getting to work with Tom and this amazing group of writers. And then I sort of segued off onto another project right around the time that they were going into production, so I have huge FOMO about not getting to have been on the set and all that, but now here it is and we’re launching it, and so I am just immensely proud of the result.
Chris Mundy: I mean, I’ll start and Tom can jump. But I mean, I think with anything, you introduce something, you get people to understand it, and then you add, you know what I mean? And for us, it was grounding emotionally in John and then immediately in Hal and John’s relationship, and then in that sense of place. And even the way we used, like, the constructs, the first time there’s a construct used, it’s Hal doing a 20-dollar bill to play a song over and over again, you know? And then, John is lighting a cigarette with it, and then it’s a bottle opener, cause we’re just like, oh, this is part of our world. But we’re also in this small town where hopefully, I’m so glad it’s like, yeah, it feels dusty and real. So then by the end of the episode, there’s a bigger construct. And then by the next episode, there’s more. It’s just like, are you accepting this reality? Are you accepting these people as real people with this weird job of being a space cop, but they also still have to wake up as themselves? (00:29:08) And then you layer. You know, that’s the way I thought it and we’ve all sort of thought about it together. But the good thing about, you know, me and Damon and Tom from the beginning, we all come from this from a slightly different angle. And so hopefully that where we hit in the middle, it touches a lot of different ideas.
Tom King: I’ll talk about the dust first, then go to Rushville. I think with superheroes, having sort of lived in the superhero moment for almost 25 years now of them being a pop culture, that the powers and the incredible and the amazing of it all can just be noise on top of noise where you don’t even hear it anymore. For the simple fact that there’s no scale, you’re looking at a picture without something to compare it to. And, you know, it’s like looking at Lawrence of Arabia.
If you just look at the desert, it’s nothing, but if you look at Omar Sharif on that one camel coming across it, suddenly it becomes vast and big and amazing. And so, to make a show where we can show why the powers are important because we build the scale of the real and so they explode like the dragons do in Game of Thrones instead of just being lost among the chaos of it, was the idea of putting it in Nebraska, a place where they would really stand out. And just the location of Rushville. I’m a city kid.
I grew up in Los Angeles
here, and live now in Washington, DC. But as a little kid, my grandmother was
from a small town, Rushville, Nebraska, in the panhandle of Nebraska, closer to
South Dakota than it is to the rest of the world. And literally, you know, I’m
raised by a single mother and like a lot of people, you’re half-raised by your
grandmother. And she would just tell me stories of this little town. And I’m
from Los Angeles, it is just endless. And here was a town that, like
she rode a horse to school and there were three people in the schoolhouse and
they all knew each other. And to me, that was an alien planet, thinking of it
that way. And so, when we first started thinking about this show and people
going to an alien planet that, I don’t know, it appealed to me on that level.
And just to put a little bit,my grandmother was just a wonderful person, just
to put a little bit of her magic in the show is where Rushville came from.
We kind of have a preconceived notion about superheroes, that they’re youthful, you know, that they’re teenagers or 20s or 30s, and all of a sudden now, and especially with Spider Man, the Spider Noir thing, that we’re starting to see them age up a little bit. So I’m wondering maybe Kyle and the creators could talk about that, that presenting somebody in their 50s who’s a superhero and what that represents and how that kind of changes the dynamic.
Kyle Chandler: First of all, I take umbrage to your question! (laughs) It’s a great opportunity. I mean, as far as I’m concerned, when got this, I was like, "Oh wow, really? I’m going to be a superhero? Me?" But it was a great advantage, because there are things with your older years that come to you that you get to, in a project like this, you get to use them. You know, it’s like being married for 20 years and you’re playing a husband who’s got two kids and it’s 20 years and there’s things you know that no one else is going to know. And so that’s a lot of fun and, there’s a lot of humor in getting older and there’s a lot of humor in this show. It’s just, you get to play out so many things. It’s important, I guess in a way too, it’s really important to show older people’s lives and this young culture that we’ve got going on. I mean, there’s a little bit of goodness and some wisdom and some of that.
Kelly, I want to ask you about Sheriff Kerry. We see in the premiere how many people are just in thrall to Hal’s charm, right? And who can blame them? But Sheriff Kerry is not one of them. She just thinks that the only thing that he is more full of than himself is shit. And it’s very amusing, but I think it also, like, points toward a deeper reserve, about not just Hal, but the world, that there is something very watchful in her shrewdness when she says something like, he’s not afraid, he’s lonely.So what can you tell us about Sheriff Kerry’s skeptical eye and skeptical mind and what is informing that?
Kelly MacDonald: As far as her view of Hal Jordan, I think she can see through him right away. And in a way, I think he does her as well. So, there’s this sort of magic from the get-go almost, even if they’re not- like he’s looking at her entirely and she’s sort of looking at the football field and not, before you even see her, you hear her on the walkie-talkie.
And she’s aware of their presence, I don’t know, I just kind loved that about her when I was sent the script that she’s very bolshie and no-nonsense and swears a bit, I think, from what I remember. And, yeah, it’s all fun. That’s really fun stuff. Plus, I also want to say, I’ve got this real thing for Americana and anything vaguely cowboy.
I’ve got far too many pairs of cowboy boots in my wardrobe in Glasgow. It makes no sense. And so playing her was, like, completely thrilling. I’m so okay about not being a superhero myself cause I was the one that had the costume. I had a badge. I had a massive hat, Yosemite Sam style, and bespoke cowboy boots. I mean, it couldn’t have been better for me, so thank you.
Aaron, Science fiction has always helped us imagine a better future. And for many Black fans, John Stewart has been part of that future for decades. What do you hope his story says to longtime fans, but also to those meeting him for the first time?
Aaron Pierre: That’s a beautiful question. Thank you very much for submitting that. I don’t think we have enough time for me to get into that answer to the depth that I would ideally like to.
But I think, just to sort of, you know, try and consolidate it as it were, I think that one of my favorite things about John Stewart and how he’s detailed and how he is written and shared with audiences is the truth and the honesty, that is present within him and how he is just so immensely complex. But just like we all are, I think John has just an abundant number of access points to audience members. (00:37:40) I think he is somebody who is somebody who allows us to feel seen. He is somebody who allows us to feel heard, understood, comprehended, respected, and it’s an immense privilege and joy to have been given the opportunity to portray him in the first live-action version. The enormity of that gift is not lost on me. It’s not missed on me. I’m filled with gratitude.
And from the very moment that I knew I had the opportunity, I poured myself into it and continued to through pre-production, production itself, and even post-production beyond the point of filming it. I’m still, you know, ruminating on should we be gifted the opportunity to continue this journey, how I can excavate further, how I can go even deeper.
I did an immense amount of personal research, before portraying John Stewart, but there is a point with every character that you portray, as is the case with every character I have portrayed, that you have to then bring a level of yourself and your truth to the portrayal, because otherwise it’s not authentic, and otherwise there is no opportunity for audiences to resonate with you because you are simply copying and pasting.
So it was a joy to also allow myself to be vulnerable enough with the support of everybody here to bring my heart and my soul and my experiences to this. I feel very seen when I read John. John to me is somebody who is a raging sea internally.
You know, externally he’s a gentleman, he’s precise, he’s accurate, he’s intentional, he’s clean. But internally, he’s a raging sea, he’s a tornado, he’s a volcano, and I give the analogy of, you know, going to someone’s house and it’s spotless, but you find that one room that they shoved everything in and it’s hell in there. I’ve had, you know, you know, this is not therapy, so I won’t get into myself, but I’ve had my fair share of learning to master my sober mind and learning to navigate my experiences as somebody who does feel things very heavily and deeply. So I feel very seen by John and I’m ready to do this till the wheels fall off, to be honest with you.
Poorna and Garret. I have a question for you
both. It is quite a premiere for your characters and one of the things that I
love is that right away it’s established that they both go for what they want. Sex in a truck with John or, blackmailing via bail money, the
Lanterns to come over for a barbecue—you know, to each their own. But also,
they’re shrouded in mystery, so there’s this interesting dichotomy, this
dissonance of what is stated very clearly—the boldness, the frankness, and then
what is not available for us yet to understand and see. You know, there’s a
literal NDA that is invoked in the plot of the premiere. There are questions
right away from Hal and from John about what’s going on in this marriage. So how did you - what felt key in terms of when you’re deciding what
to hold close to the vest and what you are allowing your character to show as a
real declaration of intent, both individually for Zoe and for Macon but also
inside of this family unit? Poorna, you want to start?
Poorna Jagannathan: Yeah, it’s a great question. I think that, you know, this is—correct me if I’m wrong—but it’s a- it’s a whodunit, right? It’s a bit of a- a murder mystery, but actually it’s a very profound dissertation on power. And that is also the case with Zoe and William Macon. It ibecomes very clear pretty early on that both of us with Sheriff Kane and we want to maintain the town’s power and we become a foil for the Green Lanterns in a certain way, you know? So, the exploration of this character is, first of all, she sees John and there’s an instant affinity. We’re probably the two people of colour in a very, very white town, right? So, there’s an instant connection, instant curiosity that- that happens. But, you know, as it unfolds, it’s really exploring different power dynamics of different people and it’s very mysterious indeed. Garret?
Garret Dillahunt: I don’t know what to add to that. That was beautiful, Poorna. I think that’s a good point. You know, there’s nothing better than great writing. You know, it just does so much of our work for us, and baked into it, like Poorna said, is this weird power dynamic even between us. I think there’s a lot of stereotypes that could have been applied, certainly to my character, and he seems open to all kinds of things that you wouldn’t suspect he would be, a guy who lives in this area and does what he does and seems to be pretty, you know, powerful in this small pond. And I love that their relationship, that it seems kind of free and easy. I guess I can’t talk about much past one, but it is a pleasure to play and I’m sure grateful to be here.
I just want to take this opportunity to say, , walking onto this set, that you all put together, the script was something. But, you know, I’d never met Kyle before. I feel like I’ve known him for about 30 years now, we just got along great.
And this young man here, Aaron, I don’t know, I hope you’ve seen some of his other work, but I know we’re just scratching the surface. You should know I was on with Alexa Fogel the other day, who put this thing together, and she also went and saw Aaron on stage in London playing in Cuckoo’s Nest, and she was so floored. She was like, I’ve never seen him like that, I’ve never, I didn’t know he could do that, he was completely different than what you see here. And I think you’re going to see this face for John Stewart for years to come. It’s just I think they were waiting, I think Green Lantern was waiting for him. But it’s just a great group and I’m so thankful to you all for welcoming us so completely and giving us these great characters to play.
Lanterns has been described as a grounded mystery as much as a superhero series. Was there a particular film, TV show, or genre that influenced the tone you were aiming for? (00:49:01) And that question was addressed specifically to Chris, Tom, and Damon, so we can start with you all from a creative perspective. Was there something—you know, True Detective was obviously already invoked—that you all were seeking to channel, or just reference most directly? Was there someone or something from a film or show or story that you particularly love or felt was resonant here that you tried to bring into your performance?
Chris Mundy: Yeah, we talked about a lot of different things, you know, over the course of it. We talked about No Country for Old Men quite a bit just cause of the backdrop. Kelly’s like in…
Kelly MacDonald: Oh, really? Good.
Chris Mundy: Yeah, Kelly and Garrett are actually both in it, which is weird ’cause we were talking about before we were lucky enough to get them. But just in terms of geography and sense of just pressure, it just keeps going and going and going. But then we also talked about things as not obscure exactly, but, like, things like Midnight Run, which is like there’s a relationship with Robert De Niro and Charles Grodin in that where they’re kind of on the same path together even though one’s being escorted as a prisoner.
It’s the banter is always funny and yet the stakes are always real, you know. And we were always trying to figure out what line we could get up to in terms of the funny thing where it just didn’t become, like, empty calories. So, it was like those two - there were a bunch. I mean, we talked about Ghost in the room, so I mean, there’s times, like we went far afield. We talked about rom-coms, ’cause in a way it’s a strangely, like, Hal and John kind of start apart, fall in love, fall apart again, you know what I mean?
It’s like, we had a lot of free time in the room when we were starting, so we went very far afield. But those other ones were really the touchstones at the beginning.
Tom King: I’m going to go with nerdy references ’cause I’m the nerd, So, just to go back to the comics, the comics of it all, andthe sort of the original creation of John Stewart by two guys named Neal Adams and Denny O’Neil who are unfortunately my friends back in the day. And especially Neal Adams, who’s sort of the core creator, and for people who don’t know Neal, he’s one of the GOAT artists in comics, but besides that, he was a true rebel, like the guy who’s like, we need healthcare, we need to get paid. He turned the turned the tables over and said, we’re looking at this industry all wrong, let’s do it different. And that’s the spirit he brought when he created John Stewart, and from that first issue when he goes in there and Hal’s like, you got to wear a mask, you know, you’re just my replacement, you’re nothing, that’s all in that first issue. And John just won’t take the world the way it’s given to him the same way Neal wouldn’t take the world the way it’s given to him and he’s throwing over tables saying, I’m not wearing a mask, I know who I am—I’m something different than you and I might be something better than you. And so that all sort of went back to the comics and to those original creators who so inspired me.
Damon Lindelof: Yeah, I echo everything that Chris and Tom just said and I think that also the show at times felt like Western. More like a classic sort of 1950s or 1940s. There are these archetypal kind of, like, John Wayne-like ideas that are built into it and constructs around manhood that I think that both Hal and John inherited from their dads or the culture in which they were raised.
I think that obviously we process these sort of mythic stories, like, through fathers and sons and I think that a lot of the time superheroes, you know, Superman’s parents, you know, died on Krypton or Batman’s parents were murdered when he was a little boy. But the idea that, whether it’s that trauma, what were you taught, what are you trying to figure out on your own, we did talk a lot about, like, father and son stories because John and Hal are not quite father and son. They’re more akin to brothers, at least that’s the way that it reads sometimes.
But they’re both processing this very complicated relationship with their own dads in partnership with one another, and so I think there was a wide range in terms of all those conversations, there’s no rings, there’s no aliens, there’s no space, there’s no there’s no Guardians. Then you layer all that stuff in and you make that the science- the genre stuff support those ideas.
Poorna Jagannathan: And on to Damon’s point, I’m not a comic book you know, I don’t engage in the genre and haven’t for many years. And so, this show is so faithful and so delightful for people who are, but it’s such an invitation for people like me who are not exposed to this. An invitation to step into the genre because it is so intensely relatable and so human.
Anyone else want to share any influences that you or references that you brought in? Is it time to talk about Coach Taylor, you know Kyle? A lot of football. A lot of football here.
Kyle Chandler: I was daydreaming, I’m sorry. (Laughs) I was just going to say, it’s all kind of boils down in my mind, it’s really good storytelling.It just really is and that’s why it’s, among other things that we’ve talked about, that’s the main reason it’s going to be, you know. It’s good storytelling. Good people in the writers’ room and all that. They mixed up a good group.
Many of you have done long TV shows for multiple seasons. Watching Lanterns, each of them feels a small movie, which is great. Do you have that in mind as well that you want to make sure, even if you all love the work, that’s not going to go on for 10 years, but do you know exactly where you want to land without stretching the stories?
Damon Lindelof: Yeah, I can speak from personal experience, in terms of what it was like on something like Lost where we didn’t, you know, we had to aggressively fight for an end date as early as when the show premiered. For a show that had a mystery engine, the audience was saying when are you going to tell us what the fuck is going on here?
And we’re like, we really want to, but once we start answering mysteries, the show was coming down the hill, it’s closer to the end. So I think that then ultimately migrating towards something like Watchmen, which was a limited series and we knew it was just going to be those nine episodes, and although you’re inside of a legacy story that goes all the way back to the 1980s and you’re trying to continue it, you want a message to the audience that this is complete.
I think that Chris’s vision for Lanterns was the perfect hybrid of both those things where essentially, he said, I want to tell a complete story.
We’re going to a mystery, and then, more importantly, we’re going to have a relationship story between these two guys that feels resolved at the end of the story that we’re telling, but we want the audience to be really hungry for more when it ends. And that felt like such a cool way to sort of thread the needle, and I think to Chris, to Chris’s credit and the credit of everyone here and the incredible crew around the show, we’ve accomplished that. I think that it feels like it was a really good meal but a couple of hours after you’ve consumed it, you’re going to say, I think I want to spend some more time in that world.
New episodes of Lanterns premiere Mondays on HBO Max.
















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